<p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3">뉴스공장과 저널리즘 토크쇼의 콤보 아주 좋아요.. 제 정신인 기자가 기레기를 패주면 더더욱 좋죠.</font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3">저널리즘 토크쇼의 영향력이 엄청 커졌으면 합니다. 세상에 박근혜 정부때 자살률을 가지고 </font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3">마치 현 정부 경제 정책 때문에 생긴 통계 인것 처럼 인용해 비판하는 정말 비열하고 악의적인</font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3">기레기들 방통위 좀 손좀 보자~~  이건 완전 가짜뉴스잖아요...</font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/laja6ZLFNI8" frameborder="0"></iframe><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>인터뷰</span><span> </span><span>제</span><span>2</span><span>공장</span><span>]</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>“</span><span>언론만</span><span> </span><span>보면</span><span> </span><span>한국경제는</span><span> </span><span>곧</span><span> </span><span>망할</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같습니다</span><span>”</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>- </span><span>최경영</span><span> </span><span>기자</span><span> (KBS)</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>자</span><span>, </span><span>이번에는</span><span> </span><span>지상파</span><span> </span><span>기자로는</span><span> </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>특이한</span><span> </span><span>기획기사</span><span> </span><span>연재를</span><span> </span><span>하신</span><span> </span><span>분이</span><span> </span><span>있어서</span><span> </span><span>모셨습니다</span><span>. KBS</span><span>의</span><span> </span><span>최경영</span><span> </span><span>기자님</span><span> </span><span>모셨습니다</span><span>. </span><span>안녕하십니까</span><span>?</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>안녕하십니까</span><span>. KBS </span><span>저널리즘</span><span> </span><span>토크쇼의</span><span> </span><span>최경영입니다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>저널리즘</span><span> </span><span>토크쇼</span><span>J </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>모신</span><span> </span><span>건</span><span> </span><span>아니고</span><span>. </span><span>보니까</span><span> '</span><span>한국언론</span><span> </span><span>오도독</span><span>'</span><span>이라고</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>시리즈물을</span><span> </span><span>지금</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>계속</span><span> </span><span>쓰고</span><span> </span><span>있죠</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>시작하셨더라고요</span><span>. </span><span>이게</span><span>… KBS</span><span>는</span><span> </span><span>이래도</span><span> </span><span>됩니까</span><span>? </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>기자가</span><span> </span><span>그냥</span><span> </span><span>개인적으로</span><span> </span><span>기획해서</span><span> </span><span>계속</span><span> </span><span>포털에</span><span> </span><span>제공해도</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>겁니까</span><span>? </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>팩트니까요</span><span>. </span><span>검증된</span><span> </span><span>팩트를</span><span> </span><span>쓰는데</span><span>, </span><span>뭐</span><span>. </span><span>진실이니까</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>알겠습니다</span><span>. </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>시리즈물이</span><span> </span><span>본인도</span><span> </span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>언론에</span><span> </span><span>속하면서</span><span> </span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>언론을</span><span> </span><span>비판하는</span><span> </span><span>매체</span><span> </span><span>비평의</span><span> </span><span>성격을</span><span> </span><span>가진</span><span> </span><span>시리즈물입니다</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>본인이</span><span> </span><span>현재</span><span> </span><span>기자시고</span><span> </span><span>하니까</span><span> </span><span>내용이</span><span> </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>날카롭고</span><span> </span><span>재미있어요</span><span>. </span><span>저희가</span><span> </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>재미있으면</span><span> </span><span>한번</span><span> </span><span>우리도</span><span> </span><span>가져와서</span><span> </span><span>써</span><span> </span><span>볼까</span><span>? </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>참에</span><span>…. </span><span>뭐랄까요</span><span>? </span><span>테스트용입니다</span><span>. </span><span>그래서</span><span> </span><span>지금까지</span><span> </span><span>나온</span><span> </span><span>내용</span><span> </span><span>중에</span><span> </span><span>일부를</span><span> </span><span>잠깐</span><span> </span><span>소개해</span><span> </span><span>드릴까</span><span> </span><span>합니다</span><span>. </span><span>자</span><span>, </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>언론을</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>요목조목</span><span> </span><span>한번</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>언론에</span><span> </span><span>계신</span><span> </span><span>분이</span><span>, KBS</span><span>에</span><span> </span><span>계신</span><span> </span><span>분이</span><span> </span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>언론을</span><span> </span><span>요목조목</span><span> </span><span>따져</span><span> </span><span>보는</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>이제</span><span> </span><span>최근</span><span> </span><span>시리즈물을</span><span> </span><span>보니까</span><span> </span><span>우리</span><span> </span><span>경제가</span><span> </span><span>곧</span><span> </span><span>망할</span><span> </span><span>것처럼</span><span>, </span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>언론을</span><span> </span><span>읽다</span><span> </span><span>보면</span><span> </span><span>대한민국이</span><span> </span><span>곧</span><span> </span><span>망할</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>제목이</span><span> </span><span>언론만</span><span> </span><span>보면</span><span> </span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>경제는</span><span> </span><span>곧</span><span> </span><span>망할</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같습니다</span><span>, </span><span>이겁니다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>사례를</span><span> </span><span>들어서</span><span> </span><span>설명을</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span> </span><span>주세요</span><span>, </span><span>구체적인</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>이게</span><span> </span><span>자살률</span><span> </span><span>가지고</span><span> </span><span>한번</span><span> </span><span>이야기를</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span> </span><span>볼게요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>자살률</span><span>. </span><span>자살률</span><span> </span><span>높죠</span><span>, </span><span>우리나라가</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>높죠</span><span>. 2005</span><span>년부터</span><span> </span><span>줄곧</span><span> 1</span><span>위였어요</span><span>. OECD </span><span>보건</span><span> </span><span>통계서에서</span><span> </span><span>줄곧</span><span> 1</span><span>위였는데</span><span> 2013</span><span>년부터</span><span> </span><span>조금씩</span><span> </span><span>줄어들고</span><span> </span><span>있다니까</span><span> </span><span>좀</span><span> </span><span>다행이긴</span><span> </span><span>합니다만</span><span> </span><span>지난</span><span> 9</span><span>월에</span><span> </span><span>새로운</span><span> </span><span>연구</span><span> </span><span>결과가</span><span> </span><span>나왔어요</span><span>. 40~50</span><span>대</span><span> </span><span>남성</span><span> </span><span>저소득</span><span> </span><span>자영업자의</span><span> </span><span>자살률이</span><span> 10</span><span>만</span><span> </span><span>명당</span><span> 113</span><span>명으로</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>조건의</span><span> </span><span>임금근로자</span><span> </span><span>자살률보다</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> 3</span><span>배</span><span> </span><span>정도</span><span> </span><span>높다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>자살률</span><span> 1</span><span>위인데</span><span> </span><span>그중에서도</span><span> </span><span>자영업자는</span><span>…. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>자영업자</span><span> </span><span>저소득</span><span> 40~50</span><span>대</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>경우에</span><span> </span><span>평균의</span><span> 3</span><span>배가</span><span> </span><span>넘는다</span><span>? </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>일반</span><span> </span><span>임금근로자보다</span><span> </span><span>자살률이</span><span> 3</span><span>배</span><span> </span><span>정도</span><span> </span><span>높다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>자영업자가</span><span> </span><span>훨씬</span><span> </span><span>어렵다는</span><span> </span><span>이야기네요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>이제</span><span> </span><span>그게</span><span> </span><span>뉘앙스가</span><span> </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>좀</span><span> </span><span>강한</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>, </span><span>요즘</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>상황에서는</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>자영업자</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>그래도</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>자살률</span><span> </span><span>높아진</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>아니야</span><span>? </span><span>생각하기</span><span> </span><span>쉬운데</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그래서</span><span> </span><span>서울대학교</span><span> </span><span>경학과</span><span> </span><span>이철희</span><span> </span><span>교수가</span><span> 9</span><span>월에</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>세미나장에서</span><span> </span><span>발표를</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>건데</span><span> </span><span>조선일보</span><span> </span><span>문화부차장이</span><span> </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>기명</span><span> </span><span>칼럼을</span><span> </span><span>썼어요</span><span>. </span><span>얼굴</span><span> </span><span>사진까지</span><span> </span><span>들이밀고</span><b><u><span>. "</span><span>때를</span><span> </span><span>놓치면</span><span> </span><span>재앙이</span><span> </span><span>닥친다</span><span>." </span><span>그러면서</span><span> </span><span>흐름이</span><span> </span><span>이래요</span><span>. "</span><span>문재인</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span> </span><span>출범</span><span> </span><span>이후에</span><span> </span><span>고용</span><span> </span><span>참사가</span><span> </span><span>이어지고</span><span> </span><span>취업자</span><span> </span><span>증가폭이</span><span> </span><span>급격히</span><span> </span><span>추락하고</span><span> </span><span>개인의</span><span> </span><span>삶이</span><span> </span><span>피폐해져서</span><span> </span><span>우울증이</span><span> </span><span>급증하고</span><span>," </span><span>그래서</span><span> </span><span>이철희</span><span> </span><span>교수</span><span> </span><span>연구</span><span> </span><span>결과를</span><span> </span><span>언급하면서</span><span> "</span><span>자영업자의</span><span> </span><span>자살률마저</span><span> </span><span>치솟았다</span><span>." </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>거고</span><span>. </span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>한마디로</span><span> </span><span>문재인</span><span> </span><span>정부의</span><span> </span><span>경제성장</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>자살률이</span><span>, </span><span>특히</span><span> </span><span>자영업자의</span><span> </span><span>자살률이</span><span> </span><span>치솟고</span><span> </span><span>있다</span><span>, </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>흐름이네요</span><span>? </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>문재인</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>자영업자의</span><span> </span><span>자살률이</span><span> </span><span>치솟았다</span><span>, </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>원인과</span><span> </span><span>결과로</span><span> </span><span>이야기를</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span> </span><span>버리는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>연합뉴스</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>경우에도</span><span> </span><span>추석</span><span> </span><span>관련</span><span> </span><span>기사를</span><span> </span><span>쓰면서</span><span> </span><span>기사</span><span> </span><span>제목이</span><span> <b><u>"</u></b></span><b><u><span>연휴는</span><span> </span><span>긴데</span><span> </span><span>지갑에</span><span> </span><span>돈이</span><span> </span><span>없네요</span></u></b><span><b><u>"</u></b> </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>기사입니다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>기사</span><span> </span><span>쓸</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있죠</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>똑같이</span><span> </span><span>부정적인</span><span> </span><span>흐름인데</span><span> </span><span>소비지수</span><span> </span><span>최악이고</span><span> </span><span>소득</span><span> </span><span>양극화</span><span> </span><span>심해져서</span><span> </span><span>자영업자들</span><span> </span><span>장사가</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>된다</span><span>. </span><span>그러면서</span><span> </span><span>이철희</span><span> </span><span>서울대</span><span> </span><span>교수</span><span> </span><span>연구</span><span> </span><span>결과를</span><span> </span><span>언급을</span><span> </span><span>합니다</span><span>. "</span><b><u><span>사는</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>힘들다</span><span> </span><span>보니까</span><span> </span><span>돌이킬</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>없는</span><span> </span><span>선택을</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>사람들도</span><span> </span><span>늘었다</span></u></b><span>." </span><span>이러면서</span><span> </span><span>자영업자</span><span> </span><span>이야기를</span><span> </span><span>합니다</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>조선일보하고</span><span> </span><span>똑같은</span><span> </span><span>흐름이네요</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>똑같은</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><b><u><span>이게</span><span> </span><span>사실</span><span> 2004</span><span>년부터</span><span> 2013</span><span>년까지의</span><span> </span><span>건강보험</span><span> </span><span>데이터베이스</span><span> </span><span>결과예요</span></u></b><span><b><u>.</u></b> </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span>(에라 이 사기꾼들~~)</font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>최근</span><span> </span><span>자살</span><span> </span><span>통계가</span><span> </span><span>아니라</span><span> </span><span>지금부터</span><span> 5</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>전</span><span>?</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><b><u><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> 10</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>동안의</span><span> </span><span>결과인데</span><span>, 2004</span><span>년부터</span><span> 2013</span><span>년까지</span><span>. </span><span>그러니까</span><span> 2017</span><span>년</span><span> 5</span><span>월에</span><span> </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>정부가</span><span> </span><span>시작이</span><span> </span><span>됐잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span> </span><span>정책</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>과거</span><span> 2004</span><span>년부터</span><span> 2013</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>자영업자들의</span><span> </span><span>자살률이</span><span> </span><span>늘었다는</span><span> </span><span>황당한</span><span> </span><span>이야기를</span><span> </span><span>하고</span><span> </span><span>있는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그러네요</span><span>. </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>통계를</span><span> </span><span>발표한</span><span> </span><span>건</span><span> </span><span>올해</span><span> 9</span><span>월이</span><span> </span><span>맞는데</span><span>, </span><span>분석을</span><span> </span><span>해서</span><span> </span><span>발표한</span><span> </span><span>것은</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>통계의</span><span> </span><b><u><span>수치는</span><span> 2005</span><span>년부터</span><span> 2013</span><span>년까지</span><span> </span><span>수치고</span><span> </span><span>문재인</span><span> </span><span>정부는</span><span> 2017</span><span>년에</span><span> </span><span>출범했는데</span><span> </span><span>그러면</span><span> 2017</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> 2013</span><span>년에</span><span> </span><span>자살했다는</span><span> </span><span>말이냐</span><span>? </span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. 2004</span><span>년부터</span><span> 2013</span><span>년까지</span><span> </span><span>쭉</span><span> </span><span>자살을</span><span> </span><span>했다는</span><span> </span><span>이야기냐</span><span>? </span><span>뭐</span><span> </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><b><u><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>이렇게까지</span><span> </span><span>찾아볼</span><span> </span><span>사람이</span><span> </span><span>없으니까</span><span> </span><span>갖다</span><span> </span><span>막</span><span> </span><span>쓰는</span><span> </span><span>거군요</span><span>. </span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>의도를</span><span> </span><span>갖고</span><span> </span><span>기사를</span><span> </span><span>쓰면</span><span> </span><span>맞춰서</span><span> </span><span>기사를</span><span> </span><span>써</span><span> </span><span>버리게</span><span> </span><span>되는</span><span> </span><span>거거든요</span><span>. </span><span>이<b><u>건</u></b></span><b><u><span> </span><span>정말</span><span> </span><span>왜곡</span><span> </span><span>보도예요</span></u></b><span>. </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>식으로</span><span> </span><span>기사를</span><span> </span><span>쓰면</span><span> </span><span>정말</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>됩니다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span><b><u>악의적이네요</u></b></span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>어떻게</span><span> </span><span>찾아보셨어요</span><span>? </span><span>왜냐하면</span><span> </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>건</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>시켜야</span><span> </span><span>되거든요</span><span>. </span><span>제</span><span> </span><span>말은</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>시켰는데</span><span> </span><span>찾아봐야</span><span> </span><span>되거든요</span><span>. </span><span>그래야</span><span> </span><span>찾을</span><span> </span><span>수가</span><span> </span><span>있어요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>열심히</span><span> </span><span>찾았습니다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>왜</span><span> </span><span>아무도</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>시켰는데</span><span> </span><span>찾았냐는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>저도</span><span> </span><span>그거</span><span> </span><span>잘하는데</span><span>. </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>시켰는데</span><span> </span><span>혼자</span><span> </span><span>막</span><span> </span><span>찾는</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>잘하는데</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>지금도</span><span> </span><span>계속</span><span> </span><span>찾고</span><span> </span><span>있습니다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>남들이</span><span> </span><span>넘어가는데</span><span> </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>맞아</span><span>? </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>진짜야</span><span>? </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>맞아</span><span>? </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>의심하시는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>왜냐하면</span><span> </span><span>수치를</span><span> </span><span>가지고</span><span>, </span><span>제가</span><span> </span><span>경영학</span><span> </span><span>대학원을</span><span> </span><span>졸업했고</span><span> </span><span>저널리즘</span><span> </span><span>석사도</span><span> </span><span>했기</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>경제</span><span> </span><span>저널리즘에</span><span> </span><span>관해서</span><span> </span><span>또</span><span> </span><span>논문을</span><span> </span><span>썼어요</span><span>. </span><span>그래서</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>이쪽</span><span> </span><span>분야에</span><span> </span><span>밝기도</span><span> </span><span>하시군요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그렇습니다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>사실</span><span> </span><span>언론</span><span> </span><span>기사들</span><span> </span><span>중에</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>식으로</span><span> </span><span>작정하고</span><span> </span><span>시작하면</span><span> </span><span>정말</span><span> </span><span>찾을</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>많아요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>찾을</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>많습니다</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>진짜</span><span> </span><span>많아요</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><b><u><span>수치를</span><span> </span><span>딱</span><span> </span><span>보면</span><span> </span><span>감이</span><span> </span><span>와요</span><span>. </span><span>아</span><span>, </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>속이는</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같아</span><span>, </span><span>하면</span><span> </span><span>거의</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>둘에</span><span> </span><span>하나는</span><span> </span><span>맞습니다</span></u></b><span><b><u>.</u></b> </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>저도</span><span> </span><span>동감합니다</span><span>. </span><span>쭉</span><span> </span><span>읽다가</span><span> </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>이상한</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>갖다</span><span> </span><span>쓴</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같은데</span><span>, </span><span>하고</span><span> </span><span>막</span><span> </span><span>찾아보잖아요</span><span>? </span><span>그럼</span><span> </span><span>뉘앙스를</span><span> </span><span>정반대로</span><span> </span><span>썼거나</span><span>, </span><span>뭐</span><span> </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>있지</span><span> </span><span>않습니까</span><span>? </span><b><u><span>농담으로</span><span> </span><span>쓴</span><span> </span><span>단어를</span><span> </span><span>진담으로</span><span> </span><span>갖다</span><span> </span><span>붙여</span><span> </span><span>놓는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>.</span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><b><u><span>너</span><span> </span><span>죽을래</span><span>? </span><span>그랬는데</span><span> </span><span>살인</span><span> </span><span>협박</span><span>, </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>식으로</span><span> </span><span>따다</span><span> </span><span>쓰는</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>많거든요</span><span>. </span><span>기자들이</span><span> </span><span>절박할</span><span> </span><span>때</span><span>. </span><span>그렇긴</span><span> </span><span>한데</span><span>…. </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>하나밖에</span><span> </span><span>없습니까</span><span>? </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>좀</span><span> </span><span>몇</span><span> </span><span>개</span><span> </span><span>있습니까</span><span>?</span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>많은데요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>최근</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>두세</span><span> </span><span>개만</span><span> </span><span>더</span><span> </span><span>해</span><span> </span><span>주세요</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><b><u><span>제가</span><span> </span><span>가장</span><span> </span><span>꼽고</span><span> </span><span>싶은</span><span> </span><span>건</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span><span>전반적인</span><span> </span><span>기사의</span><span> </span><span>흐름인데</span><span> </span><span>한국의</span><span> </span><span>기자들은</span><span> </span><span>노벨경제학상</span><span> </span><span>후보자들이에요</span><span>, </span><span>전부</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span>. </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>어떤</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span> </span><span>정책이</span><span> </span><span>나오면</span><span> </span><span>경제</span><span> </span><span>현상이</span><span> </span><span>있는데</span><span> </span><span>그</span><span> </span><span>경제</span><span> </span><span>현상이</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span> </span><span>정책</span><span> </span><span>때문이에요</span><span>. </span><span>정부</span><span> </span><span>정책이</span><span> </span><span>인풋이</span><span> </span><span>들어가잖아요</span><span>? </span><span>그럼</span><span> </span><span>아웃풋이</span><span> </span><span>어떤</span><span> </span><span>현상이</span><span> </span><span>나오잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>그러면</span><span> </span><span>그게</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span> </span><span>정책때문이에요</span><span>. </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>기사를</span><span> </span><span>쓰는</span><span> </span><span>곳은</span><span>, </span><span>전</span><span> </span><span>세계</span><span> </span><span>선진국</span><span> </span><span>언론</span><span> </span><span>중에</span><span> </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>기사</span><span> </span><span>쓰는</span><span> </span><span>곳은</span><span> </span><span>없어요</span><span>. </span><span>정말</span><span> </span><span>제가</span><span> </span><span>단언할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있습니다</span><span>. </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>식의</span><span> </span><span>기사</span><span> </span><span>쓰기는</span><span> </span><span>정말</span><span> </span><span>과학적</span><span> </span><span>글쓰기가</span><span> </span><span>아니에요</span><span>. </span><span>객관</span><span> </span><span>보도</span><span>, </span><span>공정</span><span> </span><span>보도</span><span> </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>떠나서</span><span>….</span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>숫자가</span><span> </span><span>들어가면</span><span> </span><span>객관적인</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같잖아요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>네</span><span>, </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><b><u><span>정말</span><span> </span><span>비과학적인</span><span> </span><span>미신스러운</span><span> </span><span>태도예요</span></u></b><span>, </span><span>이건</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>이걸</span><span> </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>확언할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있으면</span><span> </span><span>노벨경제학상을</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>탈</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있는</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>경제를</span><span> </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>단순하게</span><span> </span><span>설명할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있으면요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>경제는</span><span> economics continuous </span><span>라는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>연속적인</span><span> </span><span>겁니다</span><span>. </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>박근혜</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span>, </span><span>이명박</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span>, </span><span>문재인</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>꼭</span><span> </span><span>영어를</span><span> </span><span>하셨어야</span><span> </span><span>했습니까</span><span>? </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>꼭</span><span> </span><span>영어를</span><span> </span><span>할</span><span> </span><span>수밖에</span><span> </span><span>없었습니다</span><span>. </span><span>연속적일</span><span> </span><span>수밖에</span><span> </span><span>없는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>.<b><u> </u></b></span><b><u><span>딱딱</span><span> </span><span>끊어서</span><span> </span><span>이</span><span> </span><span>정부의</span><span> </span><span>경제성장률은</span><span> </span><span>얼마</span><span>, </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>따지는</span><span> </span><span>것도</span><span> </span><span>어떻게</span><span> </span><span>보면</span><span> </span><span>상당히</span><span> </span><span>우스운</span><span> </span><span>겁니다</span><span>. </span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>편의상</span><span> </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>편이긴</span><span> </span><span>한데</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>편의상</span><span> </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>겁니다</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>지금</span><span> </span><span>말씀은</span><span> </span><span>특히</span><span> </span><span>최근</span><span> 1</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>동안</span><span> </span><span>더</span><span> </span><span>심해진</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같아요</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>심합니다</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><b><u><span>엄청나게</span><span> </span><span>목적지향적입니다</span><span>. </span><span>아무거나</span><span> </span><span>갖다</span><span> </span><span>줘</span><span>, </span><span>내가</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span> </span><span>탓으로</span><span> </span><span>만들어</span><span> </span><span>줄게</span><span>, </span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>. </span><span>요즘</span><span> </span><span>경제전망에</span><span> </span><span>관해서</span><span> </span><span>굉장히</span><span> </span><span>많이</span><span> </span><span>나오지</span><span> </span><span>않습니까</span><span>? </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>경제전망이</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>어둡고</span><span> </span><span>부정적이라고</span><span> </span><span>기사를</span><span> </span><span>쓰는데</span><span> </span><b><u><span>사실</span><span> OECD </span><span>경제보고서라든지</span><span> OECD </span><span>사무총장은</span><span> "</span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>경제</span><span> </span><span>괜찮다</span></u></b><span><b><u>."</u></b> </span><span>라고</span><span> </span><span>이야기를</span><span> </span><span>해요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>맞아요</span><span>. </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>말</span><span> </span><span>했어요</span><span>. </span><span>한국에게</span><span> </span><span>좋은</span><span> </span><span>소식이</span><span> </span><span>있다면서</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>비슷한</span><span> </span><span>말을</span><span> </span><span>하지</span><span> </span><span>않았습니까</span><span>? </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>비슷한</span><span> </span><span>말을</span><span> </span><span>대통령이랑</span><span> </span><span>만나서</span><span> </span><span>했는데</span><span> </span><b><u><span>조선일보나</span><span> </span><span>중앙일보나</span><span> </span><span>동아일보는</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>걸</span><span> </span><span>헤드라인으로</span><span> </span><span>절대</span><span> </span><span>달지</span><span> </span><span>않죠</span><span>. </span><span>그러니까</span><span> </span><span>사람들이</span><span> </span><span>잘</span><span> </span><span>모르죠</span><span>.</span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : OECD </span><span>사무총장이</span><span> "</span><b><u><span>다른</span><span> </span><span>나라</span><span> </span><span>경제성장률은</span><span> </span><span>나쁜데</span><span> </span><span>한국은</span><span> </span><span>좋다</span></u></b><span>." </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>말을</span><span> </span><span>했죠</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>말한</span><span> </span><span>이유가</span><span> </span><span>있습니다</span><span>, </span><span>사실</span><span>. </span><span>왜냐하면</span><span> OECD </span><span>경제전망을</span><span> </span><span>보면</span><span> </span><span>우리가</span><span> G20 </span><span>중에서</span><span> </span><span>선진국</span><span> </span><span>안에</span><span> </span><span>있거든요</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> 2020</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>정도</span><span> </span><span>가면</span><span> 1%</span><span>대로</span><span> </span><span>추락해요</span><span>, </span><span>전체적인</span><span> </span><span>그룹이</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : G20 </span><span>내의</span><span> </span><span>평균이</span><span> 1%</span><span>대로</span><span>?</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><b><u><span>우리</span><span> </span><span>같은</span><span> </span><span>경우는</span><span> 2.7%, 2.8%, 2.9%</span><span>로</span><span> </span><span>상당히</span><span> </span><span>안정적으로</span><span> </span><span>갑니다</span></u></b><span><b><u>.</u></b> </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>전망치가</span><span>? </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>네</span><span>. </span><span>그래서</span><span> OECD</span><span>의</span><span> </span><span>우리나라에</span><span> </span><span>대한</span><span> </span><span>경제전망을</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>단어로</span><span> </span><span>정의를</span><span> </span><span>하면</span><span> Stable, </span><span>안정적이다</span><span>. </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>이야기를</span><span> </span><span>할</span><span> </span><span>수가</span><span> </span><span>있고요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그래서</span><span> OECD </span><span>사무총장이</span><span> </span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>와서</span><span> </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>말을</span><span> </span><span>했는데</span><span> </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>조금이라도</span><span> </span><span>좋은</span><span> </span><span>소식은</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>다뤄</span><span> </span><span>준다</span><span>? </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그건</span><span> </span><span>뭐</span><span> </span><span>자기들이</span><span> </span><span>언론사를</span><span> </span><span>유지하는</span><span> </span><span>이유나</span><span> </span><span>목적일</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있으니까</span><span> </span><span>어떤</span><span> </span><span>기사는</span><span> </span><span>누락시키고</span><span> </span><span>어떤</span><span> </span><span>기사는</span><span> </span><span>아주</span><span> </span><span>크게</span><span> </span><span>하고</span><span> </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>이야기할</span><span> </span><span>수는</span><span> </span><span>있다고</span><span> </span><span>봐요</span><span>. </span><span>그런</span><span> </span><span>정도의</span><span> </span><span>행위는</span><span> </span><span>할</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있다고</span><span> </span><span>보는데</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>자기가</span><span> </span><span>원하는</span><span> </span><span>걸</span><span> </span><span>선택적으로</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. </span><span>제가</span><span> </span><span>말씀드리는</span><span> </span><span>건</span><span> </span><span>이명박이나</span><span> </span><span>박근혜</span><span> </span><span>정부나</span><span> </span><span>이럴</span><span> </span><span>때</span><span>, </span><span>과거</span><span> 10</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>동안의</span><span> OECD </span><span>경제전망</span><span> </span><span>보고서가</span><span> </span><span>나오잖아요</span><span>. </span><span>그럼</span><span> </span><span>헤드라인이</span><span> OECD </span><span>경제전망</span><span> </span><span>보고서가</span><span> 2018</span><span>년</span><span>, 2019</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>또는</span><span> 2014</span><span>년</span><span>, 2015</span><span>년</span><span> </span><span>수치가</span><span> </span><span>먼저</span><span> </span><span>제목으로</span><span> </span><span>나오거든요</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>, </span><span>몇</span><span> </span><span>퍼센트</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그리고</span><span> </span><span>그다음에</span><span> </span><span>기사</span><span> </span><span>내용은</span><span> </span><span>국내외</span><span> </span><span>경제</span><span> </span><span>요인이</span><span> </span><span>나옵니다</span><span>. </span><span>여러</span><span> </span><span>가지</span><span> </span><span>경제</span><span> </span><span>요인들</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>이렇게</span><span> </span><span>전망한</span><span> </span><span>것</span><span> </span><span>같다</span><span>. </span><span>그게</span><span> </span><span>부정적이든</span><span> </span><span>긍정적이든</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그게</span><span> </span><span>상식적이죠</span><span>. </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>, </span><span>원래</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그렇죠</span><span>. 박근례 정부에선 </span><span>항상</span><span> </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>썼어요</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>이번</span><span> </span><span>정부</span><span> </span><span>들어서는</span><span> </span><span>정말</span><span> </span><span>특이한</span><span> </span><span>패턴을</span><span> </span><span>보이는</span><span> </span><span>거죠</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>어떻게</span><span> </span><span>보입니까</span><span>?</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> :<b><u> OECD </u></b></span><b><u><span>경제전망</span><span> </span><span>보고서가</span><span> </span><span>상당히</span><span> </span><span>생각보다</span><span> </span><span>좋게</span><span> </span><span>나온</span><span> </span><span>거예요</span><span>.</span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>우리나라가</span><span> </span><span>좋게</span><span> </span><span>나왔어요</span><span>.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>그러니까</span><span> "<b><u>OECD, </u></b></span><b><u><span>한</span><span> </span><span>최저임금</span><span> </span><span>큰</span><span> </span><span>폭</span><span> </span><span>인상</span><span>, </span><span>고용성장에</span><span> </span><span>부담</span></u></b><span>" </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>줄</span><span> </span><span>있습니다</span><span>. </span><span>영어</span><span> </span><span>단어로</span><span> May, </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>표현이</span><span> </span><span>되어</span><span> </span><span>있는데</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>전체</span><span> </span><span>보고서</span><span> </span><span>중에</span><span> </span><span>딱</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>줄인데</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>딱</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>줄</span><span>. </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>줄</span><span> </span><span>있으면서</span><span> </span><span>큰</span><span> </span><span>폭의</span><span> </span><span>인상을</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>고용성장에</span><span> </span><span>부담이</span><span> </span><span>될</span><span> </span><span>수도</span><span> </span><span>있으니</span><span>….</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : Maybe.</span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>속도</span><span> </span><span>조절을</span><span> </span><span>좀</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>게</span><span> </span><span>낫겠다</span><span>, </span><span>이게</span><span> OECD</span><span>의</span><span> </span><span>공고안에</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>줄</span><span> </span><span>있어요</span><span>. </span><span>그런데</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>이걸</span><span> </span><span>제목으로</span><span> </span><span>달았죠</span><span>. <b><u>"OECD </u></b></span><b><u><span>또</span><span> </span><span>다른</span><span> </span><span>경고</span><span>, </span><span>한국</span><span> </span><span>실업난</span><span> 2020</span><span>년까지</span><span> </span><span>지속</span><span>" </span></u></b><span>이게</span><span> </span><span>중앙일보</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>생각해</span><span> </span><span>보니까</span><span> </span><span>저도</span><span> </span><span>그거</span><span> </span><span>읽어</span><span> </span><span>봤어요</span><span>. </span><span>굳이</span><span> </span><span>찾아서</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>동아일보도</span><span> </span><span>마찬가지예요</span><span>. "</span><b><u><span>속도조절</span><span> 경</span><span>고</span></u></b><span>" </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>왜냐하면</span><span> '</span><span>경고</span><span>' </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>보면</span><span>…. </span><span>아</span><span>, </span><span>저하고</span><span> </span><span>성격이</span><span> </span><span>비슷하시네</span><span>. </span><span>경고</span><span>, </span><span>이런</span><span> </span><span>거</span><span> </span><span>보면</span><span> </span><span>진짜</span><span> </span><span>경고했나</span><span> </span><span>저는</span><span> </span><span>찾아보거든요</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : <b><u>'</u></b></span><b><u><span>경고</span><span>'</span><span>라는</span><span> </span><span>단어는</span><span> </span><span>전혀</span><span> </span><span>나오지</span><span> </span><span>않습니다</span><span>. </span><span>제가</span><span> OECD </span><span>논문을</span><span> </span><span>다</span><span> </span><span>읽어</span><span> </span><span>봤거든요</span><span>. </span><span>경고라는</span><span> </span><span>단어는</span><span> </span><span>한</span><span> </span><span>단어도</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>나와요</span><span>. </span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>그렇게</span><span> </span><span>길지도</span><span> </span><span>않아요</span><span>. </span><span>나라마다</span><span> OECD</span><span>가</span><span> </span><span>길게</span><span> </span><span>전망도</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>하기</span><span> </span><span>때문에</span><span> </span><span>금방</span><span> </span><span>찾아서</span><span> </span><span>읽을</span><span> </span><span>수</span><span> </span><span>있습니다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><b><u><span>무디스도</span><span> </span><span>똑같은</span><span> </span><span>식으로</span><span> </span><span>지금</span><span> </span><span>이야기를</span><span> </span><span>하고</span><span> </span><span>있거든요</span><span>. </span></u></b></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>김어준</span><span> : </span><span>알겠습니다</span><span>. </span><span>아무도</span><span> </span><span>안</span><span> </span><span>시켰는데</span><span> </span><span>하는</span><span> </span><span>짓을</span><span> </span><span>쭉</span><span> </span><span>하시는</span><span> </span><span>거군요</span><span>. </span><span>자</span><span>, </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>괜찮은데요</span><span>? </span><span>이거</span><span> </span><span>시리즈로</span><span> </span><span>저희가</span><span> </span><span>한번</span><span> </span><span>준비해</span><span> </span><span>볼까</span><span> </span><span>합니다</span><span>. </span><span>한국언론</span><span> </span><span>오도독</span><span> </span><span>시리즈를</span><span> </span><span>시작하신</span><span> KBS </span><span>최경영</span><span> </span><span>기자였습니다</span><span>. </span><span>감사합니다</span><span>. </span></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span></span><br></font></p> <p style="line-height:normal;margin-right:0px;margin-left:0px;"><font size="3"><span>최경영</span><span> : </span><span>고맙습니다</span><span>. </span></font></p>