<p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"><span style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">◎ </span><span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">3</span>부</p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"><span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">[</span>인터뷰 제<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">2</span>공장<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">] -</span>전화연결</p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"><span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">‘</span>문재인은 공산주의자<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">’ </span>외쳤던 고영주에 <span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">1</span>심 무죄<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">? “</span>소가 웃지요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">”</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"><span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">- </span>박범계 의원 (더불어민주당)</p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><font color="#535353">김어준</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span><font color="#535353">어제 문재인은 공산주의다라는 주장을 했던 고영주 전 방송문화진흥회 이사장 </font><font color="#c00000"><span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">1</span>심 재판이 고영주 전 이사장에게 무죄 선고</font><span style="color:#535353;">를 내리면서 끝이 났습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>이 사안에 대해서 꼭 할 말이 있다고 하시는 분<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span>박범계 의원 연결돼 있습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>안녕하십니까<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>안녕하세요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>이 판결은 제가 자세히 보지는 못했는데<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>할 말이 있다기보다 부르셔가지고 나왔는데<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>이게 어떤 문제가 있는 겁니까<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">?</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>깊이가 없는 판결이다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>무죄 할 수는 있다고 생각합니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>판사에게 맡기는 전권이니까요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. 1</span>심으로 끝나는 문제도 아니고 <span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">2</span>심<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, 3</span>심이 있으니까<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>다시 바뀔 가능성이 있다고 보는데요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>그런데 여기서 문제점이 있다고 생각하시니까 인터뷰를 하신다고 하신 것 같은데<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> 박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>물론입니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> 김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>어떤 대목입니까<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">?</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><span style="color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>깊이가 너무 없고 </span><font color="#c00000">이미 민사 판결로 문재인 대통령에 대한 명예훼손이 성립된다고 해서 <span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">3000</span>만 원 배상 판결</font><font color="#535353">이 나왔죠</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><span style="color:#535353;">민사와 형사는 좀 다르기는 하지만 선례가 있기 때문에 적어도 무죄를 하려면 아주 깊이 있는 철학적 고뇌나 그런 탐구가 있어야 되는데 </span><font color="#c00000">북한하고 우호적인 관계라든지 이런 정도면 공산주의자다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>이런 표현은 정말 초등학생도 그런 표현은 안 씁니</font><font color="#535353">다</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">,</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;"><b style="color:#535353;">김어준</b><span style="color:#535353;font-weight:600;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span><font color="#ff0000"><b>북한 정권과 내통하는 사람을 지칭하기도 하지만 다른 한편으로 북한 정권에 우호적인 사람도 공산주의자라고 한다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span>이렇게 정리를 했어요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>김경진 판사님이<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>이게 이 정의 자체가 문제가 있다고 보시는 거죠<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">?</span></b></font></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;"><font color="#ff0000"><b> </b></font></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><font color="#535353">박범계</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span><font color="#535353">물론입니다</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><font color="#ff0000">그렇게 되면 현재 남북한의 평화모드 또 트럼프<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span>김정은 간의 여러 가지 우호적인 대화 이런 것들도 다 이 김경진 판사의 머릿속에는 공산주의의 범위에 포함</font><span style="color:#535353;">되는 거니까<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><span style="color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>그렇죠<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>북한 정권에 우호적이면 공산주의라고 해도 된다는 뜻이기 때문에</span><font color="#ff0000"> 트럼프 대통령도 공산주의자라</font><font color="#535353">고 해도 되는 거죠</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span><font color="#535353">그런 의미에서 이게 무슨 말이냐</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span><font color="#535353">이렇게 말씀하시는 거죠</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">?</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>맞습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>그리고 또 이런 부분도 있습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>모함하거나 모멸감을 주려는 의도는 없어 보인다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>그래서 명예훼손 인정할 수 없다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>이렇게 했거든요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>처음부터 고영주 이사장한테 면죄부를 주기 위해서 일종의 어떤 프레임을 만들어 놓은 것 같은데요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김경진 판사가 공산주의에 대해서 일단 연구한 흔적이 없어 보이고요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"><span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;"><br></span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><span style="color:#535353;">더욱 중요한 것은 </span><font color="#7030a0">고영주라는 사람이 평생을 공안 검사로<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span>대검 공안기획관을 지낸<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">` </span>사람으로서 처벌을 위한 공산주의의 형식 논리에 대해서 가장 전문가에 해당하는 사람</font><font color="#535353">입니다</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;"><br></span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><span style="color:#535353;">그 사람이 </span><font color="#ff0000">공산주의자라는 표현을 썼다는 것은 그냥 흔하게 얘기하는 시장통에서 나올 수 있는 그런 얘기들이 아니고 아주 치밀하고 계획적이고 이것이 가져올 어떤 정치<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span>사회경제적인 효과까지도 고려한 발언이거든요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>그 부분에 대한 판사의 이해나 이것을 어떻게 이것이 일반 국민들에게 어떻게 부정적 영향을 미칠 것인가에 대해서는 전혀 고뇌한 흔적이 없어서 좀 창피하다는 느낌이 들었습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></font></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>판사 출신으로써 문제가 많다고 생각하셔서 인터뷰를 하시는 거네요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span>전반적으로 보니까<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>네<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><font color="#535353">김어준</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span><font color="#535353">북한 정책에 유화정책을 편 사람들은 사실 많습니다</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span><font color="#ff0000">박정희도 공동성명</font></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><span style="color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: 7.4</span>공동성명에서도 그랬고 </span><font color="#ff0000">노태우 대통령 때도</font><font color="#535353"> </font></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><span style="color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>정의 자체가 지금 듣고 보니까 </span><font color="#ff0000">굉장히 문제가 많은 정의</font></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"><br></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">의원님<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>여기서 또 보면 사실관계와 다른 이야기들도 했다는 말이죠<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>부림사건 변호인이라는 건 완전히 다른 허위사실이죠<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>그리고 민정수석 때 검찰인사에 불이익을 받았다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span>본인이<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>등등 여러 가지 주장을 했는데 그게 전혀 입증이 안 되거나 사실관계와 다른 이야기인데 그것도 이런 허위사실로 인해서 피해를 봤다고 보기 어렵다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>아무것도 잘못한 게 없어요<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span>그렇죠<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">?</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>그렇습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>그래서<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">...</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;"><font color="#535353">박범계</font><span style="color:#535353;font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span><font color="#c00000">제가 걱정하는 것은 지금 사법농단 수사가 진행되고 있고 전 대법원장을 포함해서 고위직 법관들에 대한 여러 국민적인 어떤 비판이 많은데 그렇게 되면 일선의 젊은 법관들<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>소장 판사들에 대한 기대와 이런 역할들이 중요한데 이렇게 국민의 눈높이와 상식에 맞지 않는 판결을 이렇게 쉽게도 할 수 있다는 것에 대해서<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>그렇게 되면 사법부의 미래가 어떻게 되는 것이냐에 대한 걱정</font><span style="color:#535353;">입니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>알겠습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>오늘 여기까지만 짧게 듣겠습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">박범계<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>네<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">, </span>그렇게 하겠습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;"> </p> <p style="font-family:'Nanum Gothic', '나눔고딕';font-size:14px;padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;font-weight:600;color:#535353;">김어준<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">: </span>오늘 말씀 감사합니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">. </span>박범계 의원이었습니다<span style="font-family:'함초롬바탕';padding:0px;margin:0px;border:0px;line-height:1.5;letter-spacing:0pt;">.</span></p>